Pipe dope on unions?

[Jonathan B Lorey]

I am constantly arguing with my coworkers about putting pipe dope on unions
and I was wondering what other plumbers are thinking or doing. Please help
solve (or contribute) to this argument.



My View:



First I do not believe in putting pipe dope (tape or liquid) on unions if
they do not need it. I will tighten the union first without any dope if
does not leak-- great leave it alone. From my personal experience this
works on most of the unions I have installed. If the union still leaks
after reasonable tightening I will break it and smear a little bit of liquid
pipe dope on the face of the union where the contact is made and retighten.
This usually takes care of the problem. If the union still leaks I would (I
say would because I have never actually had too) wrap the threads with three
layers of Teflon tape and smear more pipe dope on the face of the fittings
and retighten.



My Supervisor's View:



Do not smear pipe dope on the face of the union but wrap the threads and
everything else with about twenty layers of Teflon tape and then tighten the
union with an oversized pipe wrench. The Teflon tape will create a
diaphragm around the sealing part of the union that will prevent it from
leaking.



My Lead-man's View:



Put liquid pipe dope on the threads always because when you tighten the
union it creates frictions and the pipe dope lets if move easier and allows
you make a tighter connections. He even uses it on dielectric unions and
angle stop to flex connecter where there is a rubber gasket that seals the
joint.



My Co-worker's View:



Dope everything-- it can't hurt can it?





I feel that if it is the metal on metal contact of the two faces of the
union that actually makes the union seal and not the threaded part of the
union so why would you need any pipe dope at all on the threads. And even
though I believe that there is friction when two metals are moving while in
contact I do not think it has any effect on whether the joint will leak or
not. If you do not use pipe dope when connecting your TurboTourch to your
B-tank why would you use it in your piping system for similar connections.
What I believe is that there needs to be a clean uninterrupted surface on
both sides of the union and making a solid but not overly tight connection.



What are your thoughts or comment?

[Ned Flanders]

NEVER USE ANYTHING

Personaly I think you make it more likely to leak if it ever gets bumped
or is subject to vibration if you put dope on it.
Same goes for a compression fitting.
It is rare to have a properly installed union "impossible to tighten".
If the union is damaged then replace it.

I like rectum seal better than the blue assholila as far as dope goes.

Post by Jonathan B Lorey
I am constantly arguing with my coworkers about putting pipe dope on unions
and I was wondering what other plumbers are thinking or doing. Please help
solve (or contribute) to this argument.
First I do not believe in putting pipe dope (tape or liquid) on unions if
they do not need it. I will tighten the union first without any dope if
does not leak-- great leave it alone. From my personal experience this
works on most of the unions I have installed. If the union still leaks
after reasonable tightening I will break it and smear a little bit of liquid
pipe dope on the face of the union where the contact is made and retighten.
This usually takes care of the problem. If the union still leaks I would (I
say would because I have never actually had too) wrap the threads with three
layers of Teflon tape and smear more pipe dope on the face of the fittings
and retighten.
Do not smear pipe dope on the face of the union but wrap the threads and
everything else with about twenty layers of Teflon tape and then tighten the
union with an oversized pipe wrench. The Teflon tape will create a
diaphragm around the sealing part of the union that will prevent it from
leaking.
Put liquid pipe dope on the threads always because when you tighten the
union it creates frictions and the pipe dope lets if move easier and allows
you make a tighter connections. He even uses it on dielectric unions and
angle stop to flex connecter where there is a rubber gasket that seals the
joint.
Dope everything-- it can't hurt can it?
I feel that if it is the metal on metal contact of the two faces of the
union that actually makes the union seal and not the threaded part of the
union so why would you need any pipe dope at all on the threads. And even
though I believe that there is friction when two metals are moving while in
contact I do not think it has any effect on whether the joint will leak or
not. If you do not use pipe dope when connecting your TurboTourch to your
B-tank why would you use it in your piping system for similar connections.
What I believe is that there needs to be a clean uninterrupted surface on
both sides of the union and making a solid but not overly tight connection.
What are your thoughts or comment?

[kevlon]

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:32:42 -0500, "Ned Flanders" <***@prexar.com>
wrote:

My boss alway's said "if it's got thread's, dope it." so I always
have, and never had a problem. He's also added that the two function's
of pipe dope is to 1-seal 2-lubricate. so even though the seal in a
union is on the face's of the two halve's, by lubricating the thread's
you get a tighter seal.

Post by Ned Flanders
NEVER USE ANYTHING
Personaly I think you make it more likely to leak if it ever gets bumped
or is subject to vibration if you put dope on it.
Same goes for a compression fitting.
It is rare to have a properly installed union "impossible to tighten".
If the union is damaged then replace it.
I like rectum seal better than the blue assholila as far as dope goes.

Post by Jonathan B Lorey
I am constantly arguing with my coworkers about putting pipe dope on

unions

Post by Jonathan B Lorey
and I was wondering what other plumbers are thinking or doing. Please

help

Post by Jonathan B Lorey
solve (or contribute) to this argument.
First I do not believe in putting pipe dope (tape or liquid) on unions if
they do not need it. I will tighten the union first without any dope if
does not leak-- great leave it alone. From my personal experience this
works on most of the unions I have installed. If the union still leaks
after reasonable tightening I will break it and smear a little bit of

liquid

Post by Jonathan B Lorey
pipe dope on the face of the union where the contact is made and

retighten.

Post by Jonathan B Lorey
This usually takes care of the problem. If the union still leaks I would

(I

Post by Jonathan B Lorey
say would because I have never actually had too) wrap the threads with

three

Post by Jonathan B Lorey
layers of Teflon tape and smear more pipe dope on the face of the fittings
and retighten.
Do not smear pipe dope on the face of the union but wrap the threads and
everything else with about twenty layers of Teflon tape and then tighten

the

Post by Jonathan B Lorey
union with an oversized pipe wrench. The Teflon tape will create a
diaphragm around the sealing part of the union that will prevent it from
leaking.
Put liquid pipe dope on the threads always because when you tighten the
union it creates frictions and the pipe dope lets if move easier and

allows

Post by Jonathan B Lorey
you make a tighter connections. He even uses it on dielectric unions and
angle stop to flex connecter where there is a rubber gasket that seals the
joint.
Dope everything-- it can't hurt can it?
I feel that if it is the metal on metal contact of the two faces of the
union that actually makes the union seal and not the threaded part of the
union so why would you need any pipe dope at all on the threads. And even
though I believe that there is friction when two metals are moving while

in

Post by Jonathan B Lorey
contact I do not think it has any effect on whether the joint will leak or
not. If you do not use pipe dope when connecting your TurboTourch to your
B-tank why would you use it in your piping system for similar connections.
What I believe is that there needs to be a clean uninterrupted surface on
both sides of the union and making a solid but not overly tight

connection.

Post by Jonathan B Lorey
What are your thoughts or comment?

[Tomaz]

Co worker's view is the one I've used for 5 years in natural gas distribution work. Anti seize on threads and on face of union. Both because it seals and so it can be taken apart easier. For medium pressure say 2-99 PSI I use tape and dope on threaded fittings, but still anti seize on unions their mating surfaces