Discussion:
Electric Water Heater Not Thermo nor Element?!
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fivekitten
2011-08-11 21:09:03 UTC
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My electric water heater tank hasn't been working for over a month. If
it's not the thermostat or element what else could it be? (It went out a
month ago, but I was traveling and someone was staying here watching the
pets. Since he mentioned it once and not again, I never gave it another
thought. I got home a couple days ago to a nice cold shower. I hate cold
showers!)

Facts & Questions:

1. It's been out for over a month, but it's my understanding it's had
water in it and has been running intermittently - albeit with cold water.
Largely because my kitchen faucets are backwards. (Not my fault.)

2. The tank may be 10 years old. 40 gallon tank.

3. It had a new thermostat and new heating element as of about 6 months
ago. The tank has only one element. It is NOT a dual element tank.

4. The person staying here said he attempted to reset it.

5. When I came home, I tried to reset it again. Then, I swapped the new
thermostat that was one with the old one (that had a 75% chance of being
good), that didn't work, so tried the new/6-month-old one again just for
the heck of it, no luck. Bought a third thermostat (third time's a charm
might? NOT!) that I put on today - hours have gone by, no luck. There is
no indication it's tripping, and there's no heat whatsoever.

6. Each time I reset it I first shut off the breaker to the water heater,
then hit the reset button, then turn on the breaker. I have tried holding
the button down for different amounts of time. (30 seconds, 15, 5, just a
push) just cause you can reset some laptops and routers that way. Is there
a certain amount of time the reset button should be held down?

7. I made sure each thermostat was pressed again the heater.

8. I tested the heating element with my reliable multimeter and it appears
to be good.

9. It's my understanding there may have been a storm or power outage when
it went out. Nothing looked fried. No corrosion either.

10. I'm pretty sure the connections were good. But is there a way to test
this with the power off? Seems everything I googled about testing the
thermostat had to do with dual elements and required the power to be on,
which I'd like to stay away from. I'm an airhead and forget things and I'm
sure I'd electrocute myself!

11. I'm going to (after I take my solar-plastic-camping-bag shower) strip
the wires and make all the connections "fresh" just in case a wire is
squished to much or something. (I dunno...grasping at straws I guess...)

12.Could it be a junction box issue? In that case, would I call an
electrician or a plumber?

13. WHAT ELSE COULD IT BE????

Any help is soooo appreciated!!! My body aches and I'm dying for a hot
shower!!! And this is frustrating as heck, and I have no money for a
plumber until next week!

Thank you for any advice!! Feel free to email me at fivekitten at yahoo
dot com.



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fivekitten
2011-08-11 21:27:36 UTC
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responding to
http://www.homeownershub.com/plumbing/Electric-Water-Heater-Not-Thermo-nor-Element-5802-.htm
fivekitten wrote:
Just want to say that in number 7 I meant "against" the tank - not "again"

and somewhere I typed "one" instead of on...keyboard isn't working so
great...
fivekitten
2011-08-12 03:36:54 UTC
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responding to
http://www.homeownershub.com/plumbing/Electric-Water-Heater-Not-Thermo-nor-Element-5802-.htm
fivekitten wrote:
So I just checked the voltage going from the junction box to the
thermostat,
and it read 240v. (And I didn't die. Yay! Now I feel ridiculous for being
scared.)

AND rechecked the heating element, now it's only reading 2.5 to 3 instead
of 7 - and I figured out should be 15 (based on OHM equation). So can I
assume this means it's defective (even though it's only 6 months old)? I'm
slightly confused because some websites say if there's any resistance,
then
it's good, other sites state specific ranges.

So now a question of heating element being under par?
Jasprt2
2011-08-29 04:27:55 UTC
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responding to
http://www.homeownershub.com/plumbing/Electric-Water-Heater-Not-Thermo-nor-Element-5802-.htm
Jasprt2 wrote:
fivekitten, I feel your pain... Solar shower, you're quite the trooper.

A bit concerned as to why this unit fails so frequently. Makes me think it
is an installation issue (you mentioned the backwards faucets...)
As for the heating element: There is a "range" for resistance based on the
wattage. If you cannot find that range - take your meter to the store with
you next time and check the range on a new replacement.

Have you checked the voltage to the element when the unit should be
heating? Is the element getting power when it should?

If not, your back to 1) the thermostat or 2) bad wiring between the relay
and the thermostat element.
Post by fivekitten
My electric water heater tank hasn't been working for over a month. If
it's not the thermostat or element what else could it be? (It went out a
month ago, but I was traveling and someone was staying here watching the
pets. Since he mentioned it once and not again, I never gave it another
thought. I got home a couple days ago to a nice cold shower. I hate cold
showers!)
1. It's been out for over a month, but it's my understanding it's had
water in it and has been running intermittently - albeit with cold water.
Largely because my kitchen faucets are backwards. (Not my fault.)
2. The tank may be 10 years old. 40 gallon tank.
3. It had a new thermostat and new heating element as of about 6 months
ago. The tank has only one element. It is NOT a dual element tank.
4. The person staying here said he attempted to reset it.
5. When I came home, I tried to reset it again. Then, I swapped the new
thermostat that was one with the old one (that had a 75% chance of being
good), that didn't work, so tried the new/6-month-old one again just for
the heck of it, no luck. Bought a third thermostat (third time's a charm
might? NOT!) that I put on today - hours have gone by, no luck. There is
no indication it's tripping, and there's no heat whatsoever.
6. Each time I reset it I first shut off the breaker to the water heater,
then hit the reset button, then turn on the breaker. I have tried holding
the button down for different amounts of time. (30 seconds, 15, 5, just a
push) just cause you can reset some laptops and routers that way. Is there
a certain amount of time the reset button should be held down?
7. I made sure each thermostat was pressed again the heater.
8. I tested the heating element with my reliable multimeter and it appears
to be good.
9. It's my understanding there may have been a storm or power outage when
it went out. Nothing looked fried. No corrosion either.
10. I'm pretty sure the connections were good. But is there a way to test
this with the power off? Seems everything I googled about testing the
thermostat had to do with dual elements and required the power to be on,
which I'd like to stay away from. I'm an airhead and forget things and I'm
sure I'd electrocute myself!
11. I'm going to (after I take my solar-plastic-camping-bag shower) strip
the wires and make all the connections "fresh" just in case a
wire is
squished to much or something. (I dunno...grasping at straws I
guess...)
12.Could it be a junction box issue? In that case, would I call an
electrician or a plumber?
13. WHAT ELSE COULD IT BE????
Any help is soooo appreciated!!! My body aches and I'm dying for a hot
shower!!! And this is frustrating as heck, and I have no money for a
plumber until next week!
Thank you for any advice!! Feel free to email me at fivekitten at yahoo
dot com.
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